Hello, welcome back to another episode of The Testing Psychologist podcast. Hope y’all are all doing really well. I am doing another pre-roll this week because we have a little bit of a special episode this time. Here in just a minute, I am going to play you the audio from an interview that I did on the Insurance Answers Podcast.
So the Insurance Answers Podcast, if you haven’t heard of it, is a podcast aimed at mental health clinicians who want to learn more about how to bill insurance in their practices. I got to know the host, Danielle, and Katia, through Facebook, which seems like the place [00:01:00] that I meet everybody these days but with good reason. I have made some great contacts.
Danielle reached out to me and asked if I would be a guest to talk specifically about insurance billing for psychological testing. I was happy to do that. I think the interview turned out really well. They asked some great questions. We really break down a lot of the small nitty-gritty questions about how to bill insurance for testing.
My hope is that you will walk away with the idea that it is totally doable if you want to do it. And that has definitely been my experience. In the meantime, I hope you get a nice introduction to Danielle, Katia, and their podcast, and maybe follow up and listen to a few more of their episodes because they’re great.
So without further ado, here I am on a reverse interview with the Insurance Answers Podcast.
Danielle: This is episode 19, Insurance Billing for Psychologists, with guest interview, Dr. Jeremy Sharp.
Katia: Our guest today, [00:02:00] Dr. Jeremy Sharp. He is a licensed clinical psychologist. He’s a Clinical Director at the Colorado Center for Assessment and Counseling, a private practice that he founded in 2009. It has grown to include five other clinicians.
He earned his undergraduate degree in Experimental Psychology from the University of South Carolina before getting his master’s and PhD in Counseling Psychology from Colorado State University. Jeremy specializes in psychological and neuropsychological evaluation with kids and adolescents.
He is also the host of The Testing Psychologist podcast, so everyone will have to check that out as well. In this podcast, he provides private practice consultation for psychologists and other mental health professionals who want to start or grow testing services for their practice. Jeremy lives in Fort Collins, Colorado, with his wife who is also a therapist, and his two young kids.
So welcome Jeremy.
Dr. Sharp: Thank you. Glad to be here.
Danielle: Welcome. [00:03:00] Jeremy, tell us a little bit about your role as a licensed psychologist and what types of services you offer with clients.
Dr. Sharp: I think of my practice in two phases, what I think of now as my former life as a psychologist. I had a generalist practice specialized in couples. So I had a lot of training in emotionally focused therapy for couples.
Two years after I founded my practice, things started to shift and that’s when I started to focus primarily on just doing testing and evaluation. So I’d say over the last 6 years, something like that, I’ve only done testing primarily with kids and adolescent.
So that’s what my world looks like these days personally. I do, like I said, psychological testing and neuropsychological testing for kids, a lot of IQ, academic, memory, learning, executive functioning, that kind of stuff, personality assessment.
And [00:04:00] here in our clinic, we offer a variety of services. So we have a few other therapists who do therapy with kids and with adults. We also do assessment with adults as well.
Katia: Okay. All right. When people come for psychological testing, what are their main concerns?
Dr. Sharp: For me, with seeing kids primarily, I get a lot of referrals from pediatricians, from schools and just other parents around town. So I’d say the big three referral questions for us or for me right now are probably, does my kid have ADHD? Does he have a learning disorder or do they have autism? Those are probably the top concerns.
Katia: Okay.
Dr. Sharp: And then there’s usually some mood stuff wrapped up in there as well. So trying to separate out like how much of this might be anxiety or depression or even more serious bipolar, psychotic stuff as well, differential diagnosis of most of those things.
Danielle: Can you tell us a little bit more [00:05:00] about what testing looks like when accepting insurance?
Dr. Sharp: Oh goodness, yes, testing and accepting insurance. I’m joking. Like everybody, there’s something about testing and insurance, and it’s supposed to be a hard thing but it’s actually not that tough.
I assume we’ll get into some of this stuff as we go along, but insurance has been pretty easy to deal with in the testing world. There are a few particular insurance companies that are really strict about preauthorization and might limit the number of hours, but for the most part, as long as you have your documentation in place for medical necessity of testing, most insurance companies are fairly easy to deal with.
Katia: That is really helpful to hear.
Danielle: That’s really good to hear because I’ve always assumed that it was a huge mess as far as getting testing with insurance. So that’s great to hear that it’s not that difficult.
[00:06:00] Dr. Sharp: Yeah. I think there was, I don’t know what you’d call it, kind of a holdover from years past. I think it used to be a lot harder. I think it is a lot tougher maybe in a hospital setting, but private practice has been okay. They shifted some of the guidelines for reimbursement for testing, I forget when it was, maybe 2006 or 2008, and that made it a lot easier to get insurance coverage for testing. So I think that’s made a big difference.Katia: Interesting. Have you always accepted insurance in your practice?
Dr. Sharp: I have. Yes.
Katia: Wow.
Dr. Sharp: Totally. When I started my private practice, I didn’t even think about not taking insurance. This was …
Danielle: Right on.
Dr. Sharp: Yeah. I’m sure y’all are big fans of that. So like I said, I never even considered not doing it. I feel like I didn’t know back then, to be honest, that I could not take insurance. I just thought that’s what you did. [00:07:00] So I did, and it has worked out well.
And over the years, we’ve gotten busier and busier, and I think have a decent reputation here around town. So I think we could go off insurance, but every time that I revisit it, it just keeps coming back to how important it is for access for certain clients and really for most clients because testing is expensive without insurance. I feel like it’s really important to provide those services for folks through the insurance process.
Danielle: That’s great. So when you first started accepting insurance, what was the credentialing process like for you?
Dr. Sharp: Gosh, I feel like I have blocked it out.
Katia: It’s easy to think.
Dr. Sharp: I don’t think it was too bad. Maybe y’all could speak to this, but our community has gotten more and more saturated over the years and so I keep referring back to the good old days when I started, which is really not that [00:08:00] long ago, but it felt like it back then that I don’t know that there was a whole lot of competition to get on insurance panels. So it went fairly quickly, like 2 or 3 months.
Danielle: Oh, that’s very quickly.
Dr. Sharp: I applied to probably four or five panels; the major ones in our area right off the bat and I haven’t added any insurance panels really since the beginning.
Katia: That’s helpful. So then how is billing done for your practice?
Dr. Sharp: We have a combination. Maybe 2 years ago, I brought somebody on, so I contracted out the insurance verification, so we have a full-time admin person who does all the scheduling, accounting part, and sending out bills, but I also have a separate insurance verification team. So we just relay the client benefit information to that team, and then they run it through their system, whatever magic thing that is, and then they [00:09:00] get it back to us quickly.
Katia: Do they also cover authorizations then for you guys?
Dr. Sharp: No.
Katia: No. You do have that in-house then.
Dr. Sharp: Yeah, we do it all in-house; either I do it because it requires specific clinical information or for some of them, my admin person can do that. It’s more general.
Katia: And so then your admin person is the one that does the billing for your practice then?
Dr. Sharp: Yeah, he does all the accounting and keeps track of patients’ bills, sends them out, and collects them.
Danielle: Payments. So what are the main differences between billing for counseling or therapy versus testing and assessments?
Dr. Sharp: I think the main thing is probably the hours involved and it totally depends on what kind of assessment you’re doing, but for us where we do pretty comprehensive evaluations, we’re billing, 8, 10, 12 hours of testing per client. [00:10:00] And so I think that’s the thing is like with counseling, you probably have two codes you might bill like the 90791.
Danielle: Right. And one unit.
Dr. Sharp: Therapy code and one unit. But for us, you got the interview code and then you have the testing code and that can be different depending on what kind of testing it is. And then some insurance companies prefer you then bill a therapy code for your feedback session. So that gets a little more complicated.
Danielle: Oh, interesting.
Dr. Sharp: Yeah. And the documentation. So you have to keep track of the hours that you spent on each test and how much time you spend writing reports. And all of that goes into the testing note that is submitted for the insurance reimbursement.
Katia: Wow. So that’s very different than the way the counseling piece works then with all of those codes.
Danielle: Wow. Yeah.
Katia: The number of hours that you have to put in.
Dr. Sharp: Sure. And it’s taking a while to get it all [00:11:00] lined up. What was that? How do I keep track of it all?
Danielle: Yeah, how do you keep track of it all?
Dr. Sharp: That’s where my EHR system is so helpful. I use TherapyNotes. I picked it initially because it was really well set up for testing in particular.
So the template that they have for a psychological testing note or neuropsychological testing note is really detailed. It forces you to specify all the tests that you administer and how much time you spend on them, and how much time you spend writing the report. It totals all the time for you and puts it all right there. So I like that structure and that just helps immensely.
Katia: Wow. Okay. Can you tell us about authorizations for psychological testing? Is that required or is it dependent on the insurance company?
Dr. Sharp: Totally dependent on insurance. I should back up too, there is also some difference between whether you’re billing for psychological testing or neuropsychological testing, [00:12:00] and it depends on the insurance company. And of course, this is the joke with insurance, you can’t nail it down. Of course, it’s not consistent between …
Danielle: Of course, that would be too easy.
Dr. Sharp: Of course. Some insurance companies require preauthorization for psychological but not neuropsychological testing and vice versa.
Katia: Okay. So can you explain a little bit the difference between what the neuropsychological testing looks like versus the psychological testing?
Dr. Sharp: Yeah, that’s a little bit of a hard question.
Katia: I just threw you a curveball. Sorry.
Dr. Sharp: So depending on who you ask, this answer probably will differ, but generally speaking, when you’re trying to decide if it’s neuropsychological testing or psychological testing, a big question is usually the referral question.
This is a generalization, but if you’re talking about what a lot of folks will call a mental health diagnosis like depression, anxiety, mood stuff, [00:13:00] even ADHD; a lot of folks will call that psychological testing. Neuropsychological testing typically follows when there’s a consideration of a medical diagnosis involved. So maybe it’s epilepsy or cancer or brain injury, concussion, that kind of stuff.
Danielle: TBI stuff.
Dr. Sharp: TBI, yeah. So that’s probably a short answer.
Katia: No, that’s helpful.
Danielle: Can you mention different CPT codes? Do you know off the top of your head, what the CPT code would be for, this is another curve ball, sorry.
Dr. Sharp: Hey, bring it on. Yes.
Danielle: The CPT code for the initial assessment testing and then the follow-up testing, are they different then?
Dr. Sharp: I still bill 90791 for the initial interview.
Danielle: Okay. Would that be the same as a therapy code?
Dr. Sharp: Mm-hmm.
Danielle: Okay. [00:14:00] The initial interview where you’re figuring out what they’re coming in for, what sort of tests you would be administering and then you would do the testing codes after that and they come back for the actual testing?
Dr. Sharp: Exactly. I should say too, I don’t know how much detail y’all want around all the new nuances, but if you are doing neuropsychological testing in specific settings, sometimes they’ll bill on 96116 for that initial interview and talking with other family members and collateral sources of information. There are a lot of nuances to it, but I generally do a 90791 here in private practice.
Katia: Interesting.
Danielle: Okay.
Dr. Sharp: And then the testing codes, like you said, they differ depending on what kind of testing we’re doing and who’s doing it. So that’s another piece that I didn’t even mention. A lot of folks who do a lot of testing will have a supervising psychologist and then have testing be administered by a technician or a psychometrician. And [00:15:00] that changes the CPT code as well.
Danielle: Okay. At least in Illinois, we have lots of students that are doing the psychological testing for their diagnostic practicum, that would be a different code then?
Dr. Sharp: Yes. That’s a little bit of a can of worms. As far as I know, there’s a little bit of a prohibition against students doing testing only for student learning. I should probably say that, but that’s the general model. Anyone who’s not a licensed psychologist would bill under a technician code.
Danielle: Okay. So there’s a different CPT code? Interesting.
Katia: That’s interesting. Do you have people that work in your practice that are those technicians that administer them or are all of your clinicians licensed psychologists?
Dr. Sharp: We do have technicians here in the practice. Yes.
Katia: Okay. I’m wondering what would be behind the decision of who actually administers the test [00:16:00] then?
Dr. Sharp: The driving factor is probably, there are probably two. One is that a psychologist’s time can be better spent not administering the testing. If you have someone who is really well-trained, like a well-trained technician who really gets the ins and outs of administration and takes good notes and all of that, then that frees up the psychologist for, that could be 8 to 10 hours per evaluation to be doing other things. I think that’s a big part of it, to be honest.
Katia: Other things like analyzing the results then?
Dr. Sharp: Exactly. That’s the model that we run here in our practice where I do the interview. I do portions of the testing with each person. So I’m in there for probably 25% of the time in most cases. And then I also do all the interpretation, pulling the data together, writing the summary, [00:17:00] the recommendations, the diagnosis, and producing that final report. I think a lot of folks run a tech model to free up time to interpretation.
Danielle: That reminds me of like when you go to the hospital to get an MRI, you have the MRI tech doing the actual test, but then you have the radiologist that is interpreting it and writing reports.
Dr. Sharp: Exactly.
Danielle: So similar.
Katia: Right.
Dr. Sharp: Yes. Very similar.
Danielle: Oh, makes sense.
Katia: I’m just curious because I did not realize they even had this. So what kind of experience do your techs have to administer the tests? I’m just fascinated.
Dr. Sharp: For sure. That’s an interesting question. So the folks that I hire are all advanced doctoral students. And so they’re a year or two away from their PhDs. They at least have master’s degrees and they’ve had at least a year or two of prior testing experience before they come in our [00:18:00] practice. And so that’s their level of training. And then we do on-the-job training once they get here.
There’s a big push, I forget the official name of it right now, but there’s a certification process for psychometricians that’s gaining steam and that’s starting to become more important, the Board of Certified Psychometrists, I just looked it up.
Katia: Interesting.
Dr. Sharp: So there’s a little bit of a push to get certified as a psychometrician to make sure to maintain the quality of administration.
Katia: Okay. Wow.
Danielle: Wow. Neat.
Katia: I had no idea.
Danielle: I wonder if this varies by state, I wonder. I’m going to have to check it out.
Dr. Sharp: Yeah, check it out.
Katia: That is fascinating. Okay. Wow.
Danielle: What’s the term psychometrician?
Dr. Sharp: Psychometrician.
Danielle: Psychometrician, like oh, what do you do? I’m a psychometrician.
Katia: I had no idea. This is the mind-boggling piece is that from our [00:19:00] perspective as just clinicians doing the counseling part, it’s like, how do you do all of the different pieces? And that’s where we said we really needed to get somebody to interview because it’s just so many different components here with the actual administration and then the analysis and then the feedback. It would be really hard to be a one-stop shop and have to do all of that work alone. That would just be intense.
Dr. Sharp: Yeah, it’s taken a lot of time, a lot of years, a lot of trial and error, and phone calls with insurance companies to try to nail all of it down. I should say too, this might be a good time to mention that, I don’t know if you’ll do show notes or stuff like that, I have to refer to the current president of APA. His name is Antonio Puente. He has a ton of presentations and information out there about appropriate billing for psychological and neuropsychological testing.
Danielle: Oh, great.
Dr. Sharp: So if you can link to that.
[00:20:00] Katia: Absolutely.Dr. Sharp: I know he has a website and some cool resources out there.
Katia: Okay. I’ll make sure we add that because I think that’s going to be a really helpful link for psychologist listening and even some other clinicians that are allowed in their state to do some of the testing, I think that would be really helpful.
Dr. Sharp: Absolutely.
Katia: Okay. It’s definitely more complicated.
Danielle: You’re claiming that it’s not but I bet once you do it for a while, it’s not so much, but this seems very complicated to me.
Katia: Right.
Danielle: That’s saying a lot because billing in itself isn’t complicated to me, but this whole different codes for different tests. You mentioned writing reports and everything, is that also covered by insurance?
Dr. Sharp: Yes, it is. That was one of those major shifts that I was talking about a few minutes ago, back in whatever it was 2008. Report writing is now covered under the typical testing codes which helps a lot [00:21:00] because I spend between the history and the interpretation probably at least two hours, maybe three or four, depending on the evaluation. So that’s a big chunk of time.
Katia: Sure.
Danielle: Depending on the test and everything.
Katia: Yes. Are there specific tests that are not covered?
Dr. Sharp: Yes. At least in my world, the ones that are typically not covered are academic tests. So the insurance companies in my understanding is that they operate on the assumption that any academic testing is going to happen through the school district which is a bummer.
Schools do the best they can and support students really well. There are a lot of students who don’t qualify for testing through the school who could still benefit from it. So that’s tough, but the academic tests are the ones that are typically not covered.
Katia: Okay. So if you had someone who wanted to come and get services to get that academic testing, [00:22:00] does your company still do them, but it would just be a non-covered service?
Dr. Sharp: Yeah. There are two different ways that we do that. One is that I cannot administer the entire academic battery. There are different subtests that are maybe a little more relevant for the presenting concern without having to do the whole battery. So we do that sometimes.
But if someone is coming specifically and they’re only saying, hey, we have a question about a learning disorder. That is purely an academic concern. If there are no other complicating factors then I have to say, okay, well, here’s the deal; insurance doesn’t typically cover testing for learning disorders. So that’s an out-of-pocket expense.
Katia: Right. Okay, that makes sense.
Danielle: And then would you possibly refer them to their school? If they would say, oh, I can’t afford that. Would you say, well, your school psychologist would probably do the same [00:23:00] testing or?
Dr. Sharp: That’s tricky. I was saying that a lot of kids don’t typically qualify for testing through the school unless they’re falling pretty clearly outside the average range for either behavior concerns, disruptive behavior, or academic concerns. At least here, and I think this is pretty consistent, they have to be at least clearly two grade levels behind to qualify for an evaluation.
Danielle: The squeaky wheel gets to the oil. That’s unfortunate.
Dr. Sharp: I’m cautious about telling parents what the school will or will not do. I’ll say, you can request this and it might not happen.
Danielle: Right. Sort of you could look into it.
Katia: That is interesting. That does make it really challenging if you’re trying to make these assessments and trying to make sure that these kids are not falling down [00:24:00] to the two grade levels behind. If you catch something sooner, then later you would just think that preventatively that would make a big difference to provide appropriate accommodations if needed. That’s definitely a huge challenge that your industry must face then in this respect.
Dr. Sharp: Yeah. You’re opening a big can of worms there, services in the school.
Katia: That would be an interesting episode for your podcast because you deal with that side of things; how you guys navigate that. That sounds really challenging.
Dr. Sharp: It’s interesting you mentioned that. In my next interview, I’m talking with a school psychologist who’s now in private practice to talk about bridging that gap.
Katia: Wow. Okay, neat.
Dr. Sharp: It’s a good chat.
Danielle: You mentioned doing multiple tests in one day. I guess you might have answered this earlier, how you handle the multiple tests is that you [00:25:00] don’t necessarily do them all yourself. You pass them off to the psychometrician. I can’t even get that term right. It’s so new to my lexicon. How do you handle multiple tests in one day if you would be doing it themselves? Do you do a whole battery and are all those tests in that battery billable?
Dr. Sharp: There are different models in different practices, but we tend to try to knock out the whole battery in one day. So it ends up being probably 4 to 5 hours of actual testing. We take breaks on a lunch break and all of that. We try to try to keep the person engaged as best we can, especially kids.
So all of that is billable. The limit that I’ve run into as far as insurance billing goes is that some insurance companies do limit you to billing no more than 8 hours of testing in a given day. That’s probably the main limitation but that only [00:26:00] happens with a couple that I work with.
Katia: Would that include your report writing?
Dr. Sharp: Yes.
Katia: What if the testing takes 8 hours and you still have to do the report, you just have to bill it for another day?
Danielle: The next day?
Dr. Sharp: Right.
Katia: Okay.
Danielle: That makes sense. The insurance companies are saying, you don’t work more than 8 hours a day.
Dr. Sharp: In a sense, they’re doing us a favor, right?
Katia: Yeah, sure.
Danielle: Like go home
Dr. Sharp: Thank you.
Danielle: Not to write this report.
Dr. Sharp: Right. The time that you spend on the report is pretty easily shifted around depending on the date.
Katia: Okay, so how are rejections handled then? Do you have to deal with rejections often?
Dr. Sharp: At this point, I don’t get a whole lot of rejections. Having done it for so many years, I know the ins and outs and what insurance companies need, what information and how, what authorizations, and how to write the authorizations.
Probably the biggest rejections that we get are if [00:27:00] the initial quote of benefits and coverage was wrong for whatever reason and then we have to go back. A lot of insurance companies are decent to work with. If we call and say, oh, we accidentally billed the wrong code for this, can we just resubmit the claim? Usually that works fine.
Danielle: Okay. That’s similar to the therapy world. If you call and you say, oh, I put in 90837 instead of this, they let you adjust.
Dr. Sharp: Exactly.
Katia: I have another question that we didn’t already provide but I’m curious a little bit about what the follow-up session looks like when you’re providing the results for the testing. What is that like for clients?
Dr. Sharp: So working with a lot of parents, I’ll bring both of the parents in. If the kid is in high school, I’ll have the kid come too. I think [00:28:00] that’s really important for them to have some agency over their testing results and their positive qualities in areas of concern.
In the feedback session, typically I’ll start and just go over things that went really well and really play up strengths for the client or the kid, talk about how those will serve them and come in handy, and then transition to things that were a little more challenging which often gets at the referral question, the diagnostic picture and how all that fits together.
So then I present them with the diagnostic picture and then that flows into a conversation about recommendations, what to do, what will be helpful, and what kind of interventions would be appropriate, answer parents’ questions as we go along and try to send them away with a really clear plan of how to move forward and why we’re doing what we’re doing.
Katia: Okay. What types of things would you end up recommending in general?
Dr. Sharp: It totally depends on the diagnostic picture, the [00:29:00] kid, the parents, resources, and that kind of thing but I’d say the main recommendations are, I refer a lot of kids for medication consults. That’s a big one. So partnering with psychiatrists and physicians around town. I talk a lot about how to bridge the gap to school and maybe pursue intervention in the academic setting. I talk about that.
I do a lot of referrals to things like biofeedback or occupational therapy, individual counseling, and family counseling. Those are the main recommendations, social skills groups, that come up a lot.
Danielle: Oh, sure. Autism diagnosis and things like that.
Dr. Sharp: Right.
Danielle: Are there any other tips or tricks that you have for psychologists listening regarding billing?
Dr. Sharp: I think the biggest thing is having your ducks in a row as much as you can before you start doing testing and billing insurance. To know it’s totally doable. I’ve totally built a practice around it and we’re [00:30:00] successful.
And like I said, I keep deciding to take insurance, we aren’t going off, so totally doable and there are some nuances to consider and to make sure that you’re doing everything ethically and legally as far as you’re billing and have all those ducks in a row, I think that’s important.
Katia: That’s really helpful. This was so informative. I did not realize how this all went down and it sounds like you know and figured out the best type of structure that works. You’re providing a wonderful service by structuring it properly and being able to utilize your skills appropriately. So this is really fascinating.
Dr. Sharp: Oh, that’s great to hear. It’s fun to talk about and I’m happy to spread the word about testing.
Danielle: What I also like too is that you know when to outsource too. With the technicians doing the testing and everything, I was thinking, oh my goodness, how does he do all these tests, do all this billing and everything, but you’ve recognized your [00:31:00] strengths and you’re the overseer. You’re the radiologist, so to speak.
Dr. Sharp: Sure. Hey, I’ll take that comparison.
Danielle: Because doing all the testing yourself would be exhausting and tedious.
Dr. Sharp: Some psychologists like to do their own testing and I do some, I really like to be in there for some of the testing. I was a psychometrician when I was in graduate school for two years and I enjoy doing the interpretation and the recommendations a lot more at this point. So that’s why.
Danielle: But you’re there for the initial assessment and things like that, so it’s not like you’re totally removed. You come in and people don’t know who you are, they know who you are.
Dr. Sharp: Right. Oh, of course. I still consider myself the point person and the main contact for their evaluation.
I’ll throw this in there just because we’re talking about it, but if you are billing insurance under a psychometrician code, one of [00:32:00] the mandates of that code is that the overseeing psychologist is checking in with the technician throughout the day to make sure that you can adjust the battery if you need to.
And then they introduce the psychometrician and then they also say goodbye to the client at the end of the day. So there are some guidelines for how to bill under a psychometrician code that are probably important to be aware of.
Danielle: That makes sense. So it’s not really the psychometrician running their own show. It’s like, okay, we’re tag teaming this.
Dr. Sharp: Yes, exactly.
Katia: Exactly, cool. Wow. This is really neat. I’m so glad that you were able to come on and answer our questions about billing for a psychologist. This is just one area where neither of us knows anything.
You helped to do what we are so passionate about, which was bust these myths about the difficulties with insurance as a provider. And that is one of the biggest things is that the language has been out there that scares [00:33:00] people away. And so I like that you are pro-insurance and have that similar stance and have demystified how intense it is for psychologists. So this is really helpful.
Dr. Sharp: Absolutely. Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to come on and talk about all this stuff. I love spreading the word, like I said, and it’s a fun thing. It’s totally doable.
Danielle: It seems like with any type of billing, trial and error, you learn all the kinks and then once you know how to do it, the ship runs pretty smoothly.
Dr. Sharp: I think that’s true. I totally agree.
Katia: Great.
Danielle: So not to get discouraged by the trial and error piece of insurance billing which I’m sure you’ve gone through.
Dr. Sharp: Oh, my goodness. Yes, I can’t. It’s like we all say, if we had the money for the time spent on the phone with the insurance companies, it would just be…
Danielle: Sure.
Katia: All right. Thank you so much, Jeremy.
Dr. Sharp: Of course. Thanks for having me.
[00:34:00] All right. Thanks for listening to my reverse interview with Danielle and Katia on the Insurance Answers Podcast. Hopefully, you took away some helpful information there. If you are billing insurance, maybe there are a few things that you could tweak. If you’re not billing insurance and want to, hopefully, it gave you a little more clarity as to how to do that. Like I said, I think it’s totally doable and has certainly been fairly easy here in our practice once you get those standard operating procedures down.So as always, thanks for listening. I’m having a great time doing these podcasts, getting to talk with folks, answer questions, and connect with other people. This has just been an amazing experience so far. I can’t believe that this is already 20 episodes. I remember back before I started thinking, I had no idea what this is going to turn into or end up like. I have to say that it’s been a really cool journey so far. I’ve had such a good time connecting with other folks and learning so much along the [00:35:00] way.
I hope that you’ll continue to tune in and be part of this community. If you do want to join the Facebook community, there’s some great discussion there on testing preferred measures, processes, billing, different things like that. You can search for our community on Facebook at the bar at the top. So search The Testing Psychologist Community, and you should be able to find us.
And if you are interested in doing any consulting around building psychological assessment services in your practice, I would love to talk with you about that. We could do a complimentary 20-minute conversation just to see where you’re at, and what you want to do. I’ll give you some ideas about whether consulting could be helpful and if not, where you might go instead.
So I hope to talk with you next week. We have lots of cool interviews coming up and I’m excited. In the meantime, enjoy the summertime and take care. Thanks, bye-bye. [00:36:00]